In 2016 after “Declaring for president, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz told a crowd at Liberty University, the Virginia institution founded by evangelist Jerry Falwell: “Today roughly half of born-again Christians aren’t voting. They’re staying home. Imagine instead millions of people of faith all across America coming out to the polls and voting our values.”
I have spoken with some of these who do not vote, and they believe that Christians have no business in politics. Jesus did not engage in the politics of His day.
But is voting for values as Cruz has said engaging in politics, or is it supporting what you pray for? Or do these Christians not pray for our government and those in power?
It is difficult to understand why in a Nation where freedom is given to all that all who are believers in a God given freedom to effect their destiny would not use that freedom — unless.
Is it possible that our doctrine effects our exercise of the vote? If we believe that The Sovereign God has given us no free will in our salvation, then does this not carry over into how things progress in our world?
On the other hand if God in His sovereignty has given us free will to either obey or disobey, does that imply the freedom to impact our surroundings? Our laws? The teaching of our children in our schools? And other important issues such as the sanctity of life?
“in the world but not of the world” — what does that mean? Does it mean that we are to have no impact on the world, or does it mean that we are not to engage in the worlds sin?
The fact is that if believers in the Biblical principals of morality voted as a block we would be living in a much more moral nation. We would even put up a more moral leadership in our nation. The desires of the hearts of men would be impacted by its leaders. There would be restraint upon Government, and its laws, and upon its people.
I’ll be interested in your comments.
Democracy simply means “the rule of demons”. The prince of this world is exactly that, the prince of this world. Until Jesus Christ comes back, satan will rule this world no matter who you vote for, the game is rigged. Religious people are nothing but pawns in satans’ democracy, but they believe they’re doing the will of God. Just look at who they voted as president, all it does is expose them for the hypocrites they are. But either way, left or right, it’s two sides of the same schekle.
Lip service and fanfare is the hypocrites righteousness.
And don’t get me wrong, all presidents are the same, it’s just some have better self control than others.
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Steven I appreciate your comments brother. And I know that you don’t take Pauls words seriously. I’m not sure why, as we have not discussed that. But I’m sure that you realize that Jesus did die to redeem people from this world, and to give us power over Satan. Voting even for the better of two evils is a hindrance to Satan. Promoting God’s morality in my way of walking with Christ is one way of restraining evil in our battle against his hold over all flesh.
Paul is not Jesus Christ. I follow Jesus Christ as Paul followed Jesus Christ. There are many followers of Jesus Christ who speak profound Truths in the past and in the present for Jesus Christ is alive and active. My problem is not so much with Paul as it is with those who think they know what Paul has to say.
People falsely believe that Paul wrote most of the New Testament when in fact, men chose his writings to compile some of the bible.
You can’t legislate morality Jerry,. And those who champion “christian values” are some of the vilest people, it’s just most of them haven’t been caught or exposed.
If we all mind our own walk, and follow Jesus Christ, then we will be the salt and light, government intervention is not required or a factor inones walk with Jesus Christ.
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In your way of understanding God and Jesus the Christ, is there a Scripture or Word of God that you adhere to?
Knowing that Jesus Christ IS indeed God The Father in human form, I try to adhere to all the recorded sayings of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is a Master at summarizing and simplifying everything not only what is recorded in scripture, but everything about everything.
It is recorded that Jesus taught His disciples that their only teacher would be Him, or, His Spirit. “You need that no man should teach you,
I take this very seriously. It’s not to say I don’t learn from others, but it all gets filtered through The Spirit of God.
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So if I’m understanding your belief about what is truth, it centers around your access to His Spirit. If you don’t mind my asking — where did that revelation come to you from? And how did you confirm it as your truth? Understand I’m not questioning your Testimony. We each have our own. But it’s my understanding that Jesus being God and also being the Word of God to man; that He then has inspired and preserved over man’s time the written word in order to give us the insights that He wanted to reveal about Himself. I guess what I’m saying is that I believe that His Spirit In me teaches me mostly from the Bible. When I hear something profound coming from man, I check it out in the Bible.
We know that Satan is a deceiver, but the only way that we know that there is a Satan and that he is trying to deceive us is because we have the Bible.
Again if I understand you correctly you not only do not fully trust man, but neither do you fully trust the Bible. Am I wrong? Your faith is in Jesus who is also the Holy Spirit . But that understanding had to come to you from either Him directly, His word, or from man. So how did you come to your faith? And my next question is in your gospel how would you tell one to be saved and walk with Jesus?
Steven these are not trick questions. I’m just trying to understand you thinking. We can’t dialog if we don’t understand each other.
I understand Jerry and don’t find your questions judgemental.
I don’t believe the bible needs to be innerant or infallible to serve it’s purpose. Just like God doesn’t need infallible people to serve His purpose.
It seems rather ridiculous to me that God would preserve a book rather than people.
The word “logos” also means logic. I do understand that Gods’ ways are not our ways, but God is indeed logical and He also made us in such manner.
Logic must always be applied to all Truth. I also go to the bible when I’m in search of Truth, as there are profound Truths recorded in it. I go to Jesus Christ in prayer also, sometimes He gives me dreams to answer my question, sometimes He sends a man or woman.
I don’t think we need a bible to understand that there’s good and bad in the world. Much like I don’t think most people need the ten commandments to know these actions are wrong.
Seriously Jerry, God has written His laws in our hearts and on our minds, this I’m sure of. I don’t always trust man and I don’t always trust the bible as it is written and translated by man. When I say translated, I’m speaking more than just languages.
Nothing but Jesus Christ matters, I Truly know that Jesus Christ lives and wants to reside and guide His people from within. Of course His guiding will resemble some of what the bible records as I would like to believe most of those people were guided by God. Therefore, there should be similarities.
You’re right Jerry, satan has been deceiving people and angels for a long time, but I trust IN Jesus Christ and His sovereignty to get me where I need to be. Jesus IS the only one who can do it. My life is IN His hands. I need to move by faith,.
I can’t explain it any better than that, nor can I prove any of it. But that doesn’t stop me, I go for Jesus. Jesus can and does “engraft” His Truths into people, as a supernatural Being, that’s what He does.
Also, just want to let you know I appreciate you taking the time to dialog with me without threatening me with hell fire verses. It’s this kind of dialogue that encourages me to press forth.
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Steven based on your own testimony I feel good about where you are in Him. I have found that we all err in some of our thinking. I have certainly changed my understanding over the years. We all must be teachable by His Spirit, when we aren’t we are in trouble. Keep trusting Him Stephen, He is worthy.
Very good! God bless and thank you for the follow.
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Your welcome. Thanks for the visit and comment.
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