I say then, they (Israel and the Jews) did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them (Israel the Jews) jealous. Now if their transgression is riches for the world (the Jews and the Gentiles) and their (the Jews) failure is riches for the Gentiles (but for only those of us who believe), how much more will their fulfillment (Strong’s word: acceptance or receiving) be! For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be (for the world) but life from the dead (resurrection)? Rom. 11:15.
Is this not saying that when the Jews come to Christ; then all the dead, who are saved in Christ will be resurrected? What other blessing could be awaiting us beyond our salvation which came about due to their rejection? This certainly is in accord with what Jesus states in Scripture with reguard to the timing that He presents for both “the” resurrection and Israel’s salvation following the time of Jacobs trouble.
Please don’t get upset with me, just listen to what scripture is telling us.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep (which are dead) in Jesus will God bring with him. (It is the dead who God brings with Him at the second coming). For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:14,16
why does Paul here say the dead in Christ? Why does He not just say all the dead? And think about this, when the bodies of the dead in Christ rise again they meet the returning souls of the dead saints coming from paradise. Are these souls recognizable? Consider Samual, and the witch of Endor; or Lazarus in Abraham’s bosom.
but they (the Tribulation Saints) will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
These Tribulation saints will reign with Christ, and thus with us. These will have died during the Tribulation. They are among the dead of this age, who will die in Christ. The Tribulation is at least in part for the purging and salvation of Israel, that all scripture may be fulfilled.
But when Peter saw this, he replied to the people, “Men of Israel, why are you amazed at this, or why do you gaze at us, as if by our own power or piety we had made him walk? The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you (the Jews, this is addressed to the men of Israel) delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. “And now, brethren, I know that you (the Jews) acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ (Our Messiah and theirs) would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Therefore repent and return (RETURN TO WHOM?), so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you (Israel), whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time. It is you (Israel) who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘ And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ For you first (Israel), God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.” As they were speaking to the people, the priests and the captain of the temple guard and the Sadducees came up to them, being greatly disturbed because they were teaching the people and proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection from the dead. (WERE THEY PROCLAMING A RESURRECTION FOR JUST JEWS HERE or The RESURRECTION? They were proclaiming that the Jews must accept Jesus even as we must in order for Him to come and fulfill all things including the resurrection. These Tribulation Jews who’s salvation is certainly part of the fulfillment of what is written by the prophets. These Jews must also be in Christ ￼following their salvation.)
Acts 3:12-13,17-21,25-4:2 NASB
Jesus in this next verse gives us the proof:
but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, 36 for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. (SONS OF GOD YOU SAY LORD — SONS OF THE RESURRECTION YOU SAY LORD? THIS ANSWER IS FROM JESUS TO These JEWS who crucified Him. They will be revealed with us as sons of God at the resurrection.)
(Father forgive them for they know not what they do).
For since by man (Adam) came death, by man (Christ Jesus) came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all (JEW AND GENTILE) be made alive.
This is obviously saying that all the dead in Christ will be in the resurrection. Remember this.
1 Corinthians 15:21-22 KJV
Again the word of God, when speaking to the Jews says:
“Fear not, for you will not be put ‘to shame; And do not feel humiliated, for you will not be disgraced; But you will forget the shame of your youth, And the reproach of your widowhood (HOW WERE THEY WIDOWED? Read chapter 53 of Isaiah which precedes this — they had been married to Jesus who was crucified.) (your widowhood) you will remember no more. “For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the Lord of hosts; (WHO IS THIS MAKER? — He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:10-12) And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth. (AND WHO IS THIS REDEEMER? — Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Acts 20:28) “For the Lord has called you, Like a wife forsaken and grieved in spirit, Even like a wife of one’s youth when she is rejected,” Says your God. (AND WHO HAS CALLED YOU OH ISRAEL? — O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:37,39) “ For a brief moment I forsook you, But with great compassion I will gather you. (AND WHO IS IT WHO WILL GATHER YOU OH SONS OF GOD AND REVEAL YOU At the resurrection? — And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Mark 13:26-27) “In an outburst of anger I hid My face from you for a moment, But with everlasting lovingkindness I will have compassion on you,” Says the Lord your Redeemer.
Isaiah 54:4-8 NASB
15 I (Jesus) will go away and return to My place Until they (Israel) acknowledge their guilt and seek My face; In their affliction (the time of Jacob’s Trouble) they will earnestly seek Me. Hosea 5:15 NASB
Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.
“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place ( let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant (yes, there is still marriage and giving in marriage during the Tribulation, because it is still of this age) and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Matthew 24:15-21 NASB
“It will come about in all the land,” Declares the Lord, “That two parts in it will be cut off and perish; But the third will be left in it. “And I will bring the third part through the fire, Refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are My people,’ And they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’” Zechariah 13:8-9 NASB
(WHO IS THIS WHO COMES TO ANSWER THEIR CALL IN THE MIDST OF THEIR TRIBULATIONS?)
Who is this who comes from Edom, With garments of glowing colors from Bozrah, This One who is majestic in His apparel, Marching in the greatness of His strength? “It is I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.” Why is Your apparel red, And Your garments like the one who treads in the wine press? “ I have trodden the wine trough alone, And from the peoples there was no man with Me. I also trod them in My anger And trampled them in My wrath; And their lifeblood is sprinkled on My garments, And I stained all My raiment. “For the day of vengeance was in My heart, And My year of redemption has come. “I looked, and there was no one to help, And I was astonished and there was no one to uphold; So My own arm brought salvation to Me, And My wrath upheld Me. “I trod down the peoples in My anger And made them drunk in My wrath, And I poured out their lifeblood on the earth.” Isaiah 63:1-6 NASB
(IS THIS WHY HIS GARMENTS ARE BLOOD STAINED WHEN HE COMES TO RESURRECT All HIS WHO ARE IN CHRIST?). The outpouring of His (Orge) wrath comes near the end of this age late in the days of Armageddon. It continues following His Second Coming, but with the resurrected and Raptured following Him.
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (NOTICE WE ARE NOW WITH HIM WHEREAS BEFORE, WHEN HE STAINED HIS GARMENTS , NO MAN WAS WITH HIM). Revelation 19:11-14
The Remnant left of Jacobs trouble has been saved by Messiah when no man was with Him. Christ alone is the provision for salvation and resurrection.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded (THESE ARE also the DEAD IN CHRIST who must precede us at His Coming, according to scripture) for the witness of Jesus (Do you deny that THESE are also IN CHRIST?), and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Blessed (happy, prosperous, to be admired) and holy is the person who takes part in the first resurrection; over these the second death [which is eternal separation from God, the lake of fire] has no power or authority, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and they will reign with Him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:6 AMP
Ask yourself — who are the priests, the Holy nation of God?
Then (WHEN?) we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV
(THIS IS WHEN) For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep (ALL THE DEAD WHO ARE IN CHRIST MUST RISE FIRST).
1 Thessalonians 4:15 ESV
(IF WE WILL NOT PRECEDE THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP “IN CHRIST” AS PAUL TAUGHT US, HOW THEN CAN WE BE RAPTURED BEFORE THIS TIME? For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1 Corinthians 15:22.
There is just no other way to be saved than to be in Christ.
Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Col. 1:13-14. The gospel of grace my brethren includes the kingdom preaching.
For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord: that we who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who are asleep THE DEAD IN CHRIST MUST BE RESURRECTED BEFORE THE RAPTURE. It must be post-Trib OTHERWISE WE WOULD PRECEDE SOME OF THOSE IN CHRIST WHO WILL REIGN WITH US (Rev 20:4)
1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJ21
If you study the resurrection of the saints you will see that it is always spoken of as “the” or as two resurrections — One of the just and one of the unjust.
If you consider that we are one with the saints of Israel (Ephesians 2; one with those remaining in the Olive Tree (Romans 11), then prophecy becomes easy. We who are the children of faith are the children of the covenants with Abraham as our earthly father.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich unto all who call upon Him. For “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Romans 10:12-13 KJ21
who are Israelites and to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; It is not as though the Word of God hath taken no effect. For they are not all Israel, who are of Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children; but, “In Isaac shall thy seed be called.” That is, they who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; rather, the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
Romans 9:4,6-8 KJ21
For [even the whole] creation [all nature] waits eagerly for the children of God to be revealed. And not only this, but we too, who have the first fruits of the Spirit [a joyful indication of the blessings to come], even we groan inwardly, as we wait eagerly for [the sign of] our adoption as sons—the redemption and transformation of our body [at the resurrection].
So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded [by God] as circumcision? For he is not a [real] Jew who is only one outwardly, nor is [true] circumcision something external and physical.
Romans 2:26,28 AMP
If you have accepted Israel’s Messiah, whom you call Jesus the Christ — meaning Messiah; then you are a Jew by adoption, and you are one with the saints, one with the commonwealth of Israel. Eph. 2. You are also one with the dead even from Israel who are awaiting their resurrection. For they await with all the dead who are Christ’s. He led paradise containing those in Abraham’s bosom to heaven when He resurrected as the first fruits OF THE RESURRECTION. He led captitivity captive. Eph 4.
There is no Scriptural evidence that anyone since Christ has been resurrected to eternal life. There further is no Scriptural evidence that anyone will be resurrected to eternal life before His Second Coming. Should you find that evidence or be able to create such from scripture I am open to both seeing and hearing it.
Until then, “even so come Lord Jesus.” What do you think John meant when he said this? Could it have anything to do with what he had just witnessed?
20 teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always [remaining with you perpetually—regardless of circumstance, and on every occasion], even to the end of the age.”
Matthew 28:20 AMP
do you have a good Scriptural answer for when this age will end? Listen to what Daniel was told: 13. But as for you (Daniel), go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age (or the end of days).”
Read all of Daniel 12:6-13
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