Bibleguy, I started following you because you actually liked some of what I had posted sometime back. So if you insist on trying to convince me that I’m wrong with your posts on the Rapture, then I feel the need and the obligation to answer. Just to start a discussion, not an argument. I will restate a couple of your statements and then address them. You State:
The doctrine is to be a comforting one 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
Is it not possible that I as a post-Trib believer would be comforted knowing that Jesus is coming back to resurrect my dead loved ones and myself whether I be dead or alive at that time. This fact does not change for one who knows based on scripture that he may suffer Tribulation before Christ returns. Secondly you state:
The Tribulation is the outpouring of the wrath of the Lamb and God has not appointed us to wrath 1 Thessalonians 5:9-11
The Tribulation is not the hour of the outpouring of God’s (Orge) Wrath. You can read about that in my post on this subject.
Also, you say, and I agree with what you state in what I’m about to quote you on here, because in the ancient Jewish wedding the wedding was at the home of the bride. So this is your quote:
“Following the wedding ceremony, the bridegroom would take his bride to his father”s house,”. This wedding ceremony at the brides house places the wedding of Messiah to His bride on the earth not in heaven. We actually don’t see the brides house in Scripture until after we have reigned on earth for 1000 years in Revelation. The bride is said to have made herself ready for this marriage at the end of Tribulation in Rev.19. It doesn’t tell us where she is in that passage, probably because the dead in Christ are in heaven, and those still alive must await the first resurrection. Paul makes this point clear in 1 Thessalonians 4. The Rapture cannot occur according to that passage until after all the dead in Christ are raised in the resurrection of those who are in Christ. The first resurrection which is for the dead in Christ includes the Tribulation dead who are promised to reign with Christ in Rev 20. That makes them part of the bride doesn’t it?
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 NASB
So far as we can tell from scripture the only people promised this reign with Christ would be the bride. So are they one with the bride?
If the bride has made herself ready following Tribulation as it states in Rev 19, then it certainly seems that this is the case.
One other point you make needs further explanation: Jesus told us that we would be raptured before the Tribulation Luke 21:36 How are we worthy? One way: We are worthy because of what Jesus did for us on the Cross of Calvary.
Here is the passage stated to prove what you say:
36 But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21:36
The only point that I would make concerning this verse and your commentary is this: you are correct we in Christ are worthy for that reason only that we are in Christ. We don’t need to pray to be Raptured. That is an automatic for all who are in Christ. The only reason for anyone to need to pray to escape anything is if we are in danger of having to face that particular thing. If we are not present for it as having been raptured, then there would be no need to pray to escape. The Rapture itself if pre-Trib would be the escape.
These facts all point to a post trib Rapture. But there are many many more Scriptural reasons on my site and in my book for post-Trib to be the timing of the Rapture. In fact I believe that Scripture adequately answers every one of your points which you state here and the others I’ve seen raised as well.
One other point I’d like you to consider based on your closing. Was Peter any less a Christian or was He longing for the coming of Jesus any less by knowing that he must die a cruel death before he would see Jesus? He knew what would happen to him because Jesus the word of God had told him, we only know what we know for the same reason, and in my mind that doesn’t make us any less a Christian than one who thinks that he will see Jesus before he suffers Tribulation and or death.
Lord bless you brother, I love you in Christ Jesus.