In this shared interview by Jan with Amir I want to answer the issues that are raised which they seemingly think there are no scriptural answers for.

First Jan wants Amir to answer why it is so difficult for those who see Tribulation as being different than they see it; to understand their truth. Where they see truth as tribulation being the time of God’s wrath that we are as believers all promised by God to escape. Amir answers — that nowhere in scripture is there an understanding that we will suffer judgment as a component of salvation. Well that’s a no brainer, but it’s not even close to what we actually see in Scripture. He even to an extent twists his answer making us appear as though we think that we deserve judgment for sins that we have committed. What we see rather that the Church as a whole is in rebellion.

Let me pose some contradictions that they have with Scripture, which may tell us why I said this. Peter states that Judgment begins with the household of God. He makes that statement when teaching on endtime happenings. In 1 Peter 4:14, and again in chapter 5 verse 1, he is talking about the revelation of Christ in His glory but before that in verse 17 he says: 1 Peter 4:17 For [it is] time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if [it] [begins] with us first, what [will be] the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? (NASB1995)

This comes after another statement:

1 Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. (KJV)

Jesus returns in glory but His return is in a time of great trouble and Satan is attacking His people. So He comes back with wrath to those who are truly left behind in Judgment. But why does Peter see a judgment of believers around this time as a time? Let me speculate. Today an end time church is so divided concerning God’s truth that we exist within a chaos of false doctrine, and this is happening at a time when Satan is to soon be unloosed and then his deception will come crashing in from this final enemy, who is to be defeated.

Jan stated that she believes that the Church can suffer Satan’s wrath, but the contradiction becomes obvious. Consider; if Tribulation is Gods wrath (as Jan thinks) is it also that which Paul promised every believer that they would not experience? For if it can be imagined that it is this wrath; then it must accomplish for all mankind, who are without Christ what the Tribulation of 7 years cannot possibly do. For the Tribulation to be the fulfillment of the promise to every non-believer is an impossibility. God’s wrath that we will not see, but that all others without Christ will see is HELL?

Ephesians 2:3 Among these [unbelievers] we all once lived in the passions of our flesh [our behavior governed by the sinful self], indulging the desires of human nature [without the Holy Spirit] and [the impulses] of the [sinful] mind. We were, by nature, children [under the sentence] of [God’s] wrath, just like the rest [of mankind]. (AMP)

In order for the Tribulation to itself be God’s wrath that we are promised to escape; then every man from every millennium since the beginning of time until the time of Christ’s coming would have to resurrect and experience the Tribulation (God’s Wrath) upon our exit from this wrath.

But explain then how it is that Israel who is in preparation for salvation is instead to experience this time of God’s wrath? And what does God’s word say about this time which is meant for Israel in order to bring her to salvation?

Hosea 5:15 I will go away and return to My place [on high] Until they acknowledge their offense [and] bear their guilt and seek My face; In their distress they will earnestly seek Me, [saying,] (AMP)

God calls this the time of their distress (also elsewhere the time of Jacob’s trouble), and never does Scripture call it the time of God’s wrath. In these verses we see His promise to tear Israel in verse 14 and then go away. But that tearing is God’s action before Jesus first coming after which He leaves them after His resurrection. There is no wrath from God promised to Israel during the Tribulation; but there is the threat of Satan’s wrath upon the earth, so much so as to require God’s sent protection.

What about Jan and Amir’s belief that only a pre-Trib Coming of Jesus will meet the teaching by Jesus that no man knows the day or the hour of His coming?

Dispensationalists are like Democrats. They talk out of both sides of their mouths. They tell us that Jesus was speaking to His Jewish disciples (who were not yet Apostles) in Matthew 24 when speaking of the signs and coming of Antichrist, but then we are to believe that He is speaking to the Church when He says that no man knows the Day or the Hour of His coming. It’s like they think they actually can tell us the day and hour when His Coming occurs with His Saints.

Good luck with that prediction folks. They say that it will be known once the Rapture takes place, because then it will be exactly 7 years to the day and hour. Yet in that same passage Jesus says that the days will be shortened for the sake of the elect. To that they then say that the days have already been shortened, yet Jesus says that “no man knows”. Dispensationalists only seem to be literal with the teaching of the word when it suits their agenda.

My point is that given what Scripture says the Rapture is much more easily discerned to be Post Trib.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. (KJV)

You can hear their arguments here: