Before we dig into this, I want to send out a huge thank you to all of the Atheists who have been attacking me lately, for had it not been for you, I would not have dug quite so deep into this wrath heap.
Atheists seem to spend their spare time researching the scriptures looking for contradiction. So, here is one such: if God’s wrath is finished with the Tribulation and it’s poured out bowls of wrath; how then can Jesus be God pouring out wrath when He returns, after Tribulation? They then say: He must not be God or else the scriptures are false and there really is no God.
When we study wrath in the New Testament, we find that there are two words used in the Greek.
Thumos is used 1 time in the GOSPELS–Luke 4:28 translated RAGE or wrath but it is speaking of mans wrath. In fact every time Thumos is used in the gospels and Epistles in the NT it speaks of mans wrath, Except in one place in Revelation it is used referring to God’s wrath against Babylon, and that is in chapter 14:10 & 19.
When looking at the bowls of Wrath in chapter 16, every bowl of wrath is Thumos, but the way it is used it seems that it is as preparation for the return of the lord and His Orge wrath.
Orge is not presented in chapter 16 until after Armageddon and it is then in association with the treading of that wine press which is also seen occurring in Revelation chapter 19 with Christ’s return.
In the gospels and Epistles Orge is always used to speak of God’s wrath. And it is Orge not Thumos that is used in the Epistles when Paul tells us that we are promised to escape Wrath (Orge).
So let’s review. Orge that we are to escape is not poured out within the series of the bowls of wrath until the end of what’s happening with the bowls, which is after all 7 are poured out. All of the bowls then are Thumos. But then Orge shows up, but not until verse 19, after the seventh bowl is poured out in verse 17.
Revelation 16:19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And God kept in mind Babylon the great, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce [and] furious wrath (Orge). (AMP)
Earlier in Chapter 14:10 and 14:19, Jesus had John advised that Babylon was inflicted with Thumos wrath by God, but here it is Orge. So these differences must be purposeful, revealing that they are not the same level of God’s anger nor are they administered at the same time.
Below are Thumos references in Revelation:
Revelation 12:12; Revelation 14:8; Revelation 14:10; Revelation 14:19; Revelation 15:1; Revelation 15:7; Revelation 16:1; Revelation 16:19; Revelation 18:3; Revelation 19:15
Consider also these verses:
“You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath (Orge)?” [Matthew 3:7]
“Whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath (Orge) remains on him” [John 3:36].
Romans 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath (Orge) and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath (Orge) prepared for destruction?
What we find when studying Revelation is that the King James Bible translation possibly did us no favors when translating Thumos to English as wrath in some verses.
Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath (Thumos) of her fornication. (KJV)
Notice this is not God’s anger, but the Antichrist systems anger against men. Some men seem to think and then teach that just because they see the word wrath scattered throughout the book of Revelation, that that means that the entire Tribulation is God’s wrath. The same wrath which we will escape, but that is just not the case, when seen through the original language and it’s context. Listen:
Revelation 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, [which are] the last, because in them the wrath (Thumos) of God is finished. (NASB2020)
If Orge had been used here; then there could be no future hell, or lake of fire. There could in fact be no treading of the winepress by the Lamb of God, and the Bible itself would be unreliable as a source of God’s truth, just as the Atheist tells us. In fact, if the Tribulation is the wrath of God as Dispensationalists teach, and with it God’s wrath is ended as the KJV states; then the same must be true. So thank you Mr. Atheist for prodding us to truth.
Oh, and by the way, there is still hope for you, before the bowls are all poured out.