I find these two blogs to be interesting, but in violation of Scripture. Are we to take seriously the fact that men within Christianity will actually be false teachers, and that many among our flock will fall from the faith as a result of following such men. That’s a difficult concept to grasp for many even though Paul makes this point clear in Acts 20 when speaking to the Ephesian elders. But, I’m not certain that too many actually believe this to be possible in today’s era of tolerance, even though it was also Jesus’ teaching. This is a day when men both in the church and outside in society are impacted in their beliefs by false prophets and by false concepts of what they are led to believe that Jesus taught.

What is it that will bring about the great falling away of which Jesus speaks? Is it sins? Or is it one particular sin — the only sin of the apostate — unbelief? if not false teachers, then who? — who else could it be who will lay in ruins on that day, but them and their willing followers? May today’s church find place for a truth intervention. Many Church denominations either take the approach that their doctrine is the only way of understanding scripture, or else as liberals they will take the approach that we just can’t know for sure what is exactly true or not, but their not knowing is much closer to truth, because what they do know, is that the Bible is flawed. Individual Preachers can be dogmatically wrong when viewing scripture. But who knows which is correct unless scripture can be known and applied? There seem to be no watchmen on the wall. Yet we may be the called out watchmen — Men and women called to stand on God’s wall of truth.

We know that we are not to argue over the words of scripture, but we are to know them and understand how they fit. So yes, we are to pray and learn what we can, and to make a pact to do it together. But what happens when two or more completely opposite teaching’s are derived supposedly from the same scriptures, as is too often the case today? Obviously Scriptural opposites cannot both be correct.

God is not the author of confusion. Two truths may work in marriage, but not where Christ is the head.

Let me try to address what I see happening just using the two cases in the title of this article. Both in my opinion have made the same mistake — one of ignoring scripture in order to make what they believe acceptable in their own mind. The flaw of course is in trying to make scripture compatible with what they believe, rather than seeking out God for what His word teaches.

One erroneously attempts to cast off scriptures which don’t line up with their unique doctrine and then to place those scriptures in the sheep fold of another age. These the Paulinian’s say that Paul is their main — possibly their only source of church doctrine and if you refuse to come to their point of view you are the false believer (see doctrine.orgs site).

So how do you determine or know if they are right or wrong? Let the scriptures speak. Paul is their church’s source for doctrine, and you are either in their church or you are wrong. They tell you that Paul was chosen by Jesus to bring forth a “new gospel which was heretofore unknown to the other Apostles called by Jesus”. This gospel they tell you is the gospel of grace which they say replaced for this age the gospel of the kingdom, which Jesus did preach and which He told His disciples to also preach.

I attempted to show in my last article concerning this, how Paul himself their supposed “only teacher of church gospel” refuted this their position in doctrine. But did Paul himself convince them? No — They are still there and they still say that Paul’s gospel started something entirely new — after — Jesus’ resurrection.

We need to consider further evidence concerning their teaching from their main and possibly only Scriptural Gospel teacher for the church — doesn’t Paul himself teach against what they say in the Olive tree example? Here he presents that what you and I are partakers in, is not something new. It already existed — Didn’t it? It may be considered that this Tree was heretofore hidden, because it is being progressively revealed to us through God through Paul’s writing, but we understand this only if we have eyes to see and ears to hear. So what Paul reveals isn’t revealed as being a new tree. What is new is the opening up of God’s work of grafting Gentiles into that existing tree. God does now have and always has had a called out people (as expressed in this now revealed olive tree), but God all along had it there — a growing tree with conditions of entrance and conditions of abiding within. The conditions progressed due only to God’s Grace and further revelation. Each branch has now been added to or removed from this tree according to His current conditions, which did change with the coming of Jesus.

But the key to understanding this tree and it’s branches resides in JESUS’ own words and in Paul’s explanation of them as he informs us of this tree. First the tree existed as Gods called out believers in Israel– only God’s chosen resided there before Jesus came, and only those who met God’s conditions in Christ remained there after Jesus came. His condition is revealed here in the tree as requiring a belief in His revealed truth (His Son) — Even before Jesus came according to Paul, Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. What was new in God’s revelation through Jesus was that His sacrifice, His death and resurrection would be the only payment needed henceforth for the forgiveness for the sins of the whole world (both Jews and Gentiles), but it comes only through individual belief expressed as a continual faith in Him. Abiding in Him, the root of the tree. Therefore a way was made for all Gentiles who believed to be added to a tree and to a people in that tree which already existed as a nation separated unto God. We gentile believers have now been added to other past believers in that nation; but some of those, who were there in that tree formerly, and who could not accept and or tolerate the Messiah as He was offered; because of that unbelief they were cut off. Read about the olive tree in Romans 11 and then ask if what I’m saying is or is not taught there in line with the scriptures that proceeded it?

Does it align with the Paulinian’s (doctrine.org) version of this truth. They say that the church is something new, something unseen in the Old Testament; but the church is clearly represented in the Olive tree as something old.

Paul also refutes their position in Ephesians where some of what I’m telling you here is taught. He reveals there the mystery that he has been given through “Jesus words only”. Paul makes it clear in Ephesians that we along with the Jews are one new man. Together we are NOW and always will be one new man, who as this “one” will inherit Israel’s promises as they were already set out in Scripture.

So Paul’s own words prove the Paulinian and Paulinism (doctrine.org) position to be what? Can we say wrong? But at the very same time They say to — (the Jesus words only movement, a different doctrinal position, who I might add are equally wrong for dismissing Paul’s words as NOT being inerrantly Scriptural.) But with (doctrine.org)’s attempt to convince them otherwise, they ironically — who believe in Paul’s words only for church doctrine —, do actually say that Paul compliments everything that Jesus taught. He therefore, they say in this attempt, is not a false Apostle. This is what they say to (jesuswordsonly), and to us. And of course scripture agrees with them on this point, but they fail to see that Paul also taught the same gospel, unlike what they say.

Paul said that through one man Adam all die, and through one man Jesus, all will be made alive in the first resurrection (1 Cor.15). Jesus is the first fruits of resurrection and then we who are in Him.  Paul’s olive tree compliments what Jesus taught in the “I am the vine” (john 15) teaching. Jesus Himself is the root of the tree, even as taught in the old covenant.

So the other side of this falsehood believing Paul to be false is just as bad because — How can anyone say who believes in Jesus that Paul is a false prophet? Even Peter (who Paul disputed with and exorted) recognized Paul as an Apostle, and saw him as an important teacher of God’s called out ones, and I suggest to you that even he agreed with Paul’s example of the adding to and breaking off of the branches. Peter says of Paul — 2 Peter 3:15-16 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

There seem to be two types of prophet or teacher exposed to us in scripture. Men who ever learn but who never come to a knowledge of the truth; and men who are open to the leading and teaching of God’s Holy Spirit. These alone remain teachable by God, whereas the others are ever learning from man.

So who of these will be subject to the fall?  Those who refuse to believe God’s word.   It makes no matter which error they promote, they are living dangerously. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; — Jesus is the word of God — does refusing to hear His word constitute refusing Him?  Jesus said I am the way, the truth, the life.  He said the gate is narrow and the way is straight that leadeth to eternal life.  The early believers were called the people of “the way”. Do we have ears to hear the Scriptural teachings today, and if not what does that say to us?

But as usual you be the judge.


Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; (KJV)