Jan Markell just wrote an email letter to all of her news group with the above title. I’m sure you can read it on her site Olive Tree Ministries. And please understand I love much of what she stands for. But to the Pre-trib community there is no blessed hope apart from a Rapture that delivers them from the Great Tribulation. Forget those today who are kneeling before an ISIS blade, forget those on their death beds, forget those under the Alter in the heat of the Great Tribulation who had been martyred who cry out “when Lord”. Forget these and every other Believer who has named the name of Messiah but has not seen recorded in Scripture the pre-Trib Rapture, because they have no Blessed Hope.
Forget the Christians who died at the stake by fire. Forget the believer who was fed to the lion, forget all who preceded the teachings of Darby and Schofield. Forget all believers who lived before the 1830’s. They had no blessed hope.
And now even the pre-Tribbers are losing hope, because their selfish view of the blessed hope is being blasted. It is being blasted with “true” some false teaching — the replacement movement, and Preterism. But what’s more important it is being blasted by the word of God, and they refuse to see the importance of the word’s impact on their teachings.
If you have been one of the very few who have read my posts on Word Press you already know the importance of the Word on what the Bible has to say about Jesus’ return. The titles you will find there related to His coming are:
The Fall Feasts and The Coming of Messiah
Is The Great Tribulation Really God’s Wrath — is it really the wrath that we will not see?
What Is Truth concerning Jesus Warning of A Future Falling Away?
THE ANCIENT JEWISH WEDDING — how does it effect prophecy?
The end of the age.
Is God Finished with Prophecy?
The Gentile and The Jew (In Messiah) — Are we one or are we not? (A debate)
CAN A CHRISTIAN BE A FALSE PROPHET? — What would it mean if that were to be a Scriptural concept?
I will be writing more in the future. And posting them on this cite. In the meantime you can get a copy of AND THEN THE END SHALL COME from me. $20 includes shipping. I believe it is out of print through Amazon. But I may republish in the future.
And Then Messiah Shall Come 
Hey,
That sentence where you wrote about … those who lived before Darby and Scofield, where was their pre trib hope?
Man that was poinient wasn’t it?
I’ve heard a pre tribber claim that the doctrine pre dates Darby, but I don’t know who he was referring to.
I’m with ya buddy, I’m not a pre tribber either. I don’t have all the answers either. But at a bare minimum, Mark 13 and Matthew 24 cite after the tribulation Christ will return in the clouds.
But then there’s other wording in those chapters that I can’t fully figure out right now.
So I just backed away from the subject.
You just remember that you’re my friend Jerry.
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Lee, I know you are not pre-trib, I started following you because you wrote an article indicating such, but I am your friend because you love the Lord and are true to the word as a seeker and are not afraid to apply new evidence to your understanding as the Holy Spirit leads you into all truth. You understand like I do that we don’t know all the answers but we love learning how God’s word fits together.
As to the proof the Dispensationalists claim that is before Darby, it arises out of a statement made by a document written between 390 and 600 and something and titled Pseudo Ephraim. Ephriam himself believed the church would see Great Tribulation, but one phrase in this document stating “all will be gathered together before His coming”. I may not have the actual quote here, but it’s close. This section also stated that the coming of the Antichrist was imminent. The two statements gathered together and imminent really got the pre-tribbers attention.
Problem is what they dident tell us is that Grant Jeffery, who discovered these words in this doccument stated in his book, (can’t remember the title right at the moment), but he stated that he just knew that someone had taught the pre-Trib message before Darby. So he went searching. It took him ten years of researching old documents to find this. But this he claimed was the proof. All of this is contained in my book by the way. And I’m going to vent here a little bit, but practically no one is reading the book. It’s out of print and I don’t know if I’ll have it republished because of the lack of interest.
But also what is not told by the pre-Tribers that is also well documented in the book, is the fact that Jeffery before discovering this document, which he now claims finally after ten years of searching proves his pre-Trib theory, had previously in other of his books claimed other early writers to have provided pre-Trib evidence.
So Jeffery was either a lier, a deceived, or very forgetful. None of these attributes should we attribute to a purveyor of truth.
Having said all this Pseudo Ephriam does exist written somewhere between The real Epriams lifetime which ended I believe in 390 and it is believed 600 and something. True dates are in His book and mine. Pseudo of course means false, interesting isn’t it.
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Yes, it’s interesting Jerry.
But ya know what?
Regardless of what extrabiblical man has written about it, scripture overrides the writing of any man, and my bible says that Christ will return after that tribulation.
And you are my friend Jerry. 😃
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Oh, by the way…
You mentioned that it’s frustrating that many people aren’t reading your book.
I have an idea for you. Ken Legg once gave me a digital copy of his book “tetelesti” (I may be spelling it wrong). Meaning…”It is finished.”
Anyway, he emailed me the pdf link, and all I had to do was click on the link, and I then had every page of his book to read…right there on my phone.
You could do that, and it wouldn’t cost you a cent.
Just do a post that features the pdf link to the contents of your book.
And once you finished that post. Then you could save the link to that post, and attach it all over the place.
Your book would get read more I’d think.
Whatcha think buddy?
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Lee, I love the idea, I’m not a real techy, but I’ll try as soon as I get home from travel. By the way you had I think asked where I live, I think I saw that question come up on my phone. Well I’m in the Bradenton area of Florida, we were away for the Hurricane, but neighbors tell us very little damage to our place. Thank the Good Lord.
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 11:01 AM And Then Messiah Shall Come wrote:
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I just saw on a map where y’all live, and y’all are on the other side of the gulf from us.
We’re in Katy Texas. Which is a suburb of Houston. Which is in the gulf coast area of Texas.
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Hope you faired the Huston Storm ok
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 12:02 PM And Then Messiah Shall Come wrote:
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https://leeposkey.wordpress.com/2017/09/01/god-protected-us-during-hurricane-harvey/
Here’s our outcome brother
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