Even among His Disciples Jesus  had the knowledge from His Father, which they must come to know, but as they stood before Him they did not know, and in some cases even struggled as it was taught. 

Pastors can today be in that position.  The disciples themselves would come to be in that position.  But we can only come to be there ourselves by hearing from the Holy Spirit at a time when most all around us either do not hear; or else having heard, they refuse to listen to what God is saying or has said. 

If you personally have ever experienced such; then you may be able to understand some of what Jesus felt, when He was the only one who knew what His Father was telling Him.  But even then we cannot expect to understand the hurt that He felt, when He was rejected of men.  We can’t know His hurt that came; because of the love that He had for those who could not or would not hear.  For the measure of our love and concern cannot compare to God’s own. 

Recently, I was in a situation (with a people to whom I had in various ways brought Gods truth to those present).  

I know from that from You Our Father comes the many things that I have published.  They had, God’s clearly stated word on this subject, and yet the conclusion that they were making was contradictory to what they had been made aware of, from within God’s literal word.  So, I felt not hurt, but sadness, and not for myself but for them, and for the Lord God, who made His word clear and very much available.  So, how do you think that God would or will respond to such?

Consider that when Jesus dealt with people, who were searching, questioning, or just simply mis-taught, sometimes He would just let them go away still in their same state; most always he was compassionate.  He mostly answered them with patience and gentleness.  

This He did so long as they did not challenge His truth. A truth handed down to Him by His Father.  He gave the word and allowed their reaction to slide.  But were they to take a firm stand in what was actually false; then that was different. 

For, then in those cases there were the Jesus’ words of woe to such as the Scribes and Pharisees, who He accused of stoning the Prophets, and of Being full of dead mens bones.  He tells them:

Jesus did all of this because He knew that what He heard from the Father was the truth to be shared, and that was so, for every bit of what He heard and stated. 

We are different; we are not God.  We don’t have all of the truth in us.   But is it possible to be sure of what we teach?  Should it not be?

Obviously we do not know all truth, not like Jesus did.  He said that He was constantly hearing every word of what He taught us from the Father. 

So how are we to be sure that we are on the truth rails; if we are liable to the Father and certainly will incur Judgment based upon what we teach to others?  

If one is a teacher, just how do we make our words to be (as sure as we can) the truth. Ours should be a determination, that what we intend to impart is based on all the Scriptural data available on this teaching. 

Let’s take an example of a subject that generates different beliefs concerning a Christian doctrine, and on which other Doctrines are based, yet it can be confused.  So I won’t go into all the differences.  This doctrine is however, an important one: it is salvation.  It is the reason for Jesus coming. 

Salvation once achieved is understood by most definitions as ones escaping Hell and in so doing receiving an eternity with God in the heavenly Realm.  Most of us know that a born again relationship is necessary for one to be saved. How do we know these things?  They are written down for us. 

As we read this entire passage, Jesus seems to tell Nicodemus in John 3, that even he, Nicodemus, a Jewish teacher should maybe know that one must be born again in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.  

Was Jesus just trying to make Nicodemus feel inferior, or should Nicodemus and the other Jewish teachers not have known what was needed in order to teach God’s message of Salvation?  Did their Scriptures give them the ability to acquire such an understanding?  In 1 Peter 1:9-11, we are told that the prophets of old were told of these things pertaining to salvation concerning Christ and His sufferings and the glories to follow by the Spirit of Christ.   So, was it possible to know this, even before Jesus stated it here?

He came with the purpose of clarifying what it was that He would provide as this Christ. 

This statement may have make one have questions in that day if they were Jewish.  How can my dead parents ever come to the Father? How can they come to your truth?  Can you answer this question about the salvation of the Jews, who went before Jesus time here on earth?   How did they come through Jesus to the Father?  His coming put in place for the Jews the promised New Covenant recorded in the O.T., but how will they (the dead) come to know this Messiah, (the Christ) Son of the living God.  

When I would ask questions about the salvation of the Jews of my professors at Liberty University, they would say that salvation for the Jews was different, and it involved an earthly king and kingdom. It was gained through a faith in That coming Messiah. Through their faith in His promised future coming.  Ok, what about the New Covenant was that just for the Church; if so why was Jesus so upset with the Sanhedrin?  The New Covenant promise was an openly displayed literal promise in scripture for Israel to bring about in them new birth. 

And the answer I would receive concerning the salvation of Jews today could offer our proof, for it is taught today that Jews must come to Jesus as we do, in order to obtain salvation.  How then is it that this will change during the Tribulation.  Why is an entire purged nation of Jews to be saved and by what method in that time of Jacob’s Trouble?  And how will Gentiles be saved after the Rapture?  

I would hear this as an answer: in the same way that the Jews were saved in the Old Testament Times.  But if salvation only involved Jesus coming; then Why did He die?  We know why.  Their answer to that question was never that Tribulation was coming to have them accept Jesus as anything but their Messiah as a delivering King; because Liberty’s teachers believed that the Holy Spirit, who was not with them in the O.T. will be taken out of the way at the Rapture (and will not be with them in the Tribulation.  But without Him no man can be drawn to the new birth in Jesus.  

So how will they be drawn by a different means of salvation?  If  there could be no coming to Jesus for the New Birth, which Jesus had told Nicodemus that one must have in order to enter the kingdom of God; then how can they be saved?.  Can a teacher from God allow these  contradictions to stand when Jesus says: “no new birth no salvation”.  Yet where doctrine says that the Holy Spirit is removed before the tribulation; labeling Him (the Holy Spirit) as the restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2.   

Is the restrainer the Holy Spirit?

A teacher would need to ask how do you know that?  It does not say that anywhere. Is it even possible, when the Holy Spirit is God and God is omnipresent. David said: “though I make my bed in hell You art there”.

Why would we not become somewhat confused over these conflicting answers?  A real teacher must go beyond this and find answers in his search of Scripture.  So can we believe that the Jews and Gentiles of the Old Testament as well as those of the Tribulation period will be saved by Christ, but somehow in a different way with no born again experience. And does that then according to their position translate to us that they will not be born again under the blood sacrifice that brought us the New Covenant?  Born again requires the work of the Holy Spirit.  If the Holy Spirit is not on earth during the Tribulation, as He is now; then there is no born again experience, but neither is there an omnipresent God.  And neither can this Tribulation man ever see or be with the father.  How can that be?

Dispensationalists have brought us these problems, so are they reliable teachers?  Can we do better with our understanding God, and therefore our teaching?  Because if these Tribulation Saints are born again into the New Covenant; then they are in Christ and therefore they are part of His Church.  And that could just be very possible.  Why cannot we have that to be the case, is it “only because” all who are “dead in Christ” must resurrect before there can be a Rapture?

Remember, Jesus told Nicodemus a pre Crucifixion Jew “you must be born again”.  

1 Thessalonians 4:16  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (NASB2020)

These people that I was with knew that that new birth for all Old Testament saints began to take place, while Jesus was still in paradise in the belly of the earth.  Their Spiritual Rebirth was concluded when He Resurrected.  They have the Scriptures telling them these things.  Their being in Christ was even more sure than most claiming to be saved today. 

Do we not know that anyone Gentile or Jew, who is saved during Tribulation must be born again to be saved; this according to Jesus; and therefore these saved also would be in Christ. 

“No man cometh to the Father but by Me.”  Signed Jesus. 

Yet, knowing what scripture has stated, still these, who I was there with just recently, concluded that we would be raptured before these tribulation dead are raised, this is contrary to Scriptures teaching.  These are they, who only (in Christ) will come out of the Great

These that I spent time with I dearly love, and I believe that they love me. I know that they are born again and in Christ. I also know that their influence reaches others. As influencers of others (teachers) we will be subject to a stricter judgment if we are wrong.  

If I am wrong then please for my sake show me why.  Am I misunderstanding these scriptures?  Do you have other truths to present, which will make these scriptures to be considered misused by me?  I don’t want my judgment to be more sever for me because I miss-taught you on these things.  Nor do I want your judgment to be more severe because you miss-taught others concerning these things relating to man’s salvation. 

Please help me learn from Scripture how any man can be saved during the coming Tribulation without having a new birth experience through Jesus the Christ, the son of the living God?  I need to understand this and pass it on to those who may read this blog during Tribulation should I not be here.  

Where in any teaching concerning the resurrection is there any distinction made between the Jew before Christ Himself resurrected and the Jew after He resurrected?

In Luke 20:27 it is recorded that the Sadducees thought to trick Jesus concerning the resurrection.  But His answer helps us answer my question to you above:

If we think that we too will not be sons of God like them; then we do not believe the gospel. 

Father help me to be a better teacher. May I never miss Your Holy Spirits leading as I study and proclaim Your Word.  Your Word is truth not mine.  Many can be mislead when we don’t hear you correctly.