I’m not sure if you have followed the thread of discussion taking place on one of my previous articles, but this piece is coming out of that thread. I’m sharing because there are some very interesting issues brought out here. This article and the previous one are both coming out of information presented by Tribulation Rising on fatcow.com. Join in the discussion should you wish.

Sister, there are two more things that I hope you will give some prayer and consideration to.

The first is the one thousand year reign of Messiah. I want to speak of these things as they are presented on this site that you referred me to:


First let me say that all of the research with numbers in his article (TIME, TIMES AND DIVIDING OF TIMES. THE TIMING OF THE TRIBULATION)

is very impressive, but it is all done to make one point, and that point is — that the DAY OF THE LORD is not 1000 years long. It is according to this pre-Trib site 1007 years long and it includes the Tribulation. This of course is his effort to make the Rapture pre-Trib.

I want you to think about this — everything that is said in scripture concerning the DAY OF THE LORD is stated in clear terms. The day is 1000 years not 1007. The DAY does begin with the Rapture. It is sudden and unexpected by all the world. I’ll deal with that when I look at his next point. But for now remember — you and I are not of this world and we are not blind to what the scripture says.

If you remember what I wrote you yesterday that THE DAY OF THE LORD on which we are Raptured begins with total darkness and there is no indication how long that darkness will last in numbers of days. But Paul tells us in 2 Thess. 2. That THAT DAY will not come until two things happen — the Apostasy (Jesus called this the falling away) and secondly the man of sin be revealed, who Jesus will destroy at His Coming. Jesus also spoke of this in Matthew 24.

What the fat Tribulation Rising site is doing is deceptive on both these points. They blow a lot of very impressive looking smoke in my opinion in order to cover up the truth. Let’s deal with their next question or issue:

Next question – if the rapture occurs at the end of the tribulation (or even the middle as others believe) – exactly how does it come on the whole world as a trap?  Other translations render this as “snare”.  What exactly is a snare?  It is a hidden trap, that springs unexpectedly on the victim, with no hope of escape.

The original Greek render the coming as αἰφνίδιος:

Strong’s Concordance

aiphnidios: sudden

Short Definition: unexpected, sudden

Definition: unexpected, sudden.

The use of the word aiphnidios in the original Greek leaves no misunderstanding as to what the scripture is saying.

There is NO warning, NO series of events, NO indications that will remotely warn the world as to the soon return of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

This entire argument is presented in an effort to tell you that no one including the church can possibly know when THE RAPTURE which is occurring on the DAY OF THE LORD when He is coming. — No signs, no warning. This is very true of the whole world up unto the point of Messiah’s intervention in Isa. 63, the world is blind, but are you of the world. I told you this before, but I’m going to repeat it — Paul says of this very DAY that

Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, “ Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 NASB

Sister, this is all of the things contained in the definition of the word “snare” (sudden, unexpected, a snare) that Tribulation Rising says will cause this to be hidden for the world, yet you and I (the church) will know that it is coming. Why? How can we know? — because we are not blinded to the truth. THE DAY OF THE LORD has signs. Does that not mean that the signs telling of the Lords coming are the same signs for the Rapture.

The last thing I want to deal with with you on is your statement about the Matt. 24 rapture being the taking away of the wicked and not the rapture of the bride. Here is what you said:

“and the rapture of the wicked from off of the earth after the Tribulation (Matthew 13:39, 41, 49; 24:31; 25:31;Revelation 1:7-the wicked are in fear knowing they are about to be removed!) at the 2nd Coming before Christ sits on the Throne of David. Just a side note: I don’t believe the pre-trib rapture is going to be a hidden event.”

Let me just say to you that the pre-Trib rapture is hidden, because no one can even find it in scripture. There is no scripture stating that the Lord will return for us before Tribulation. The fear you mention is only seen after Jesus is present and His wrath known, and This presence comes only after the sun, moon and stars sign that Jesus told us about, which will follow the Tribulation of those days. His wrath is made known in Isa. 63. Messiah Stains His Garment. Isaiah 63 (Sept 25,2017), this is an article that I referred you to as part of the study on the second coming. He begins treading the wine press in these verses just before He returns to Rapture us.

But Tribulation Rising makes some erroneous conclusions about the judgment of the nations that I also want to speak to. So let’s deal with that Judgment. The sheep and goat Judgment. I assume that you are getting your rapture of the wicked from the Tribulation Rising site as well. And I’m not going to make a big deal over that point. In fact, there will be a gathering of the wicked to be cast into the lake of fire. But that is not the gathering that Jesus spoke of in Matt. 24. His gathering is of the elect. It is a Rapture. The question is — it the Rapture? — you have to decide, is it THE RAPTURE? I can’t decide that for you. I can only tell you why I have decided that to be the case after much study.

But there is one final error that I want to deal with from Tribulation Risings site. The judgment of the nations — they say there is only one question asked of the sheep by the Lord in this Judgment. They do impress us with their wisdom in figuring out God’s possible numbering system. They place this Judgment within the ten days of awe. They could be right on this timing for the this judgment? But what really does matter in this passage — they are wrong about.

So what really matters? These nations are not judged based on their acceptance of Jesus, but on works. Tribulation Rising says otherwise. Read the passage: they are judge based on what they did for Jesus brethren to help believers through the Tribulation. They are not those believers. If they had accepted Jesus they would be Jesus brethren and they would be standing in a different place. So who are they? — they are the unsaved nation’s that we and the Tribulation saints will rule over with Christ. And these nations who will enter into the kingdom prepared for them must go up year after year to offer sacrifice in the Temple at Jerusalem because they are still unsaved (Zach 14)

Sister your Tribulation Rising site has a lot of good information. I will be viewing it more, but I would avoid any site including my own if the word of God is being twisted there. You be the judge but please listen to the word when you do it. Jesus is the word, the truth, and the truth shall set us free.